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12 November 2005 @ 12:25 am
Across The Wonkaverse  
So the school showed the Wonka double feature tonight at the college-owned theater, and I of course attended.

Wow, it's been so many, many years since I'd seen the original movie adaption in its entirety. I'd forgotten just how wonderful a movie it really was (and still is), how adorkable and amusing Wilder!Wonka is, how cute Ostrum!Charlie is, how cute the music was and how funny it could be in places. Seeing Wilder!Wonka's Gentle Kindly Smart-Assness and the humor, intelligence and everything again reminded me why I was such a fan of this particular universe in the first place. And the atmosphere of a zillion art college students who are cheerful and love both movies made it all even better.

I still love that opening where Wilder!Wonka limps out, loses his cane, and does the barrel roll. And I think my Favorite Wilder!Wonka Thing I Forgot About is the bit near the end of the tunnel boatride, when he finishes reciting his weird poem and just randomly starts screaming. Lol.

And it all got me thinking....

Both movies are wonderful in many ways, but both are quite flawed as well. I think the same can be said for the book it's all based on. So, I decided this: it's silly to argue about which of the three is better than the other two. The way I see it, the perfect Wonkaverse is an amalgam of both movies, with healthy doses of the book here and there. I own the book, and when I get the money I will buy DVDs of both movies, and I will be happy as can be. :)

What do you guys think about this? Agree or disagree? Any particular parts of either movie you'd put into the amalgam world? I myself think that most of the characters and all the places, designs and personalities should be an almost equal blend of both, with mostly Elfman songs, a few old movie songs, and the Burton Oompa Loompas.
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Sheanafishbulb33 on November 12th, 2005 06:28 pm (UTC)
Hah, yeah, true, the Oompa Loompa's songs in the first are very fun. And you gotta love those crazy psychadelic words flying across the screen! The musical did have good music, the 'Run Home, Charlie!' music and Wilder's 'Pure Imagination' are essential to any Wonkaverse.

Ha, really, the sticking cane and barrel roll were his idea? That's like one of the best bits, go Wilder!
Savage Lucysavagelucy42 on November 13th, 2005 01:19 am (UTC)
It'd be such a hard decision to make, the picking which aspect of which film I like better.

I loved both, and was almost shocked at how much I liked the Burton version, even being a Burton fanatic and all. Because the first one is so great.

I agree that a half n half blend of everthing would be pretty cool. I love both versions of Wonka, but something about WilderWonka was a little more blackly comic. DeppWonka was really a little *does universal hand sign for crazy* whearas (Can't spell) Wilder's Wonka was sort pretending to be eccentric as an excuse to be mean to children. Which is hillarious and wonderful. Best scene being when Mike runs to the machine and he says with no feeling at all "No, wait stop, come back..." Then again, Depp was so flippant and adorable... AUG.

As for the Oompa Loompas, the old film is really classic, but I may have to lean toward the newer Loompas. Because I really loved the songs, and they had a slightly better design. Course give the old film credit, they didn't have the technology we do today.

ANYWAY, I have gone on long enough.
Catherinetangerinekiki on November 13th, 2005 06:48 pm (UTC)
Bum bum bum BA. I say put them both into a blender and see what comes out.

....I've got it. Give Depp Wilder's hair and complexion (because pasty white is scary) and some of his personality. AND HIS EYES. and that would be fun.

Anddddddd as for the Oompa Loompas...I love both versions dearly. So. ....Old oompa loomps, minus the orange skin plus the new oompa loompa's outfits.

...Where's that blender?
Catherinetangerinekiki on November 13th, 2005 06:48 pm (UTC)
.....AHHHHH. Across the Wonkaverse? ...*busts out singing the Beatles*

Thank you, now back to your regularly schedule insanity.
Sheanafishbulb33 on November 13th, 2005 07:29 pm (UTC)
That's a lot of what I was thinking, too! Original Flavor Wonka has wild dark hair and bright blue eyes, so that would work quite well. Plus Depp!Wonka's outfit is closest to what's in the book, so just keep most of that and add in a large dollop of Wilder!Wonka and a bit of Original Flavor Wonka, and hey presto!

I prefer the modern Oompa Loompas almost entirely myself. As bizarre and silly as they are, they're more grounded in reality and make more sense. Plus, they seem much, much more agile, clever and capable of doing things other than waddle around in poofy slippers.
Catherinetangerinekiki on November 13th, 2005 07:52 pm (UTC)
I'm kind of split with the Oompa Loompasl, most likely because I grew up with the original, then the new flavor comes in and I go "oooooohhhh!" but then I can't forget the old flavor.

I think we just make the new Oompa Loompas have green hair and call it done xD.
A Thing Which May Or May Not Existyumegari on November 15th, 2005 05:55 am (UTC)
The perfect Wonkaverse? Hmmm.

I'll admit, I really like the idea of Wonka being strangely ageless, so I'd still have him looking like Johnny Depp, including the violet eyes, because they're wonderfully unnerving. However, I like Wilder!Wonka's personality a little better. Keep Wilder's sarcasm, keep Depp's schadenfreude and often calculating stares.

I would give him better hair.

The Loompas? All Burton version. I couldn't STAND them in the first film. Kudos to Burton for sticking with Dahl's ORIGINAL idea of their resembling Pacific Islanders. Also, keep the Elfman music. Those songs had me in stitches--beautifully snarky.

The kids and their p--, p-- er, families...

Charlie--Still like Freddie Highmore's better than Peter Ostrum's. Ostrum spent almost the entire movie sloping about and looking on the verge of tears. Highmore's had more spunk. And didn't have scary bedhead. Though the idea of the job was good. Like the rest of his family in the Burton version better, too. Why the heck did they kill off Mr. Bucket in the first film? Meh. I like the newer Grandpa Joe, too. So very old. The Buckets had the requisite sense of wonder about them in the Burton film.

Gloops: Oh, Burton, definitely. So much more to work with, there, that and the line, "AUGUSTUS, MEIN CHILD, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING TO DO!" Just makes me giggle. And Mrs. Gloop's hair and makeup in the Burton version scare me.

Beauregardes: Now here I'd say I kind of liked the first film's better. While the Burton version is certainly topical and indicative of the Rise Of The Trophy Kids, Sam Beauregarde just cracks me up.

Salts: Burton. Funnier. That and I could never figure out why, in the first film, middle-class Violet had better hair than posh Veruca.

Teavees: Burton. Get that cowboy fetish stuff AWAY FROM MY SIGHT. Though Mrs. Teavee in the Wilder version was a lot funnier.

The factory: Definitely the new version. Sooooooo coooooooooool..... *drools*

Merfle. Is that everything? Oh, and I'd keep Dr. Wonka. Cos... backstory is good.
artoveli on November 18th, 2005 03:38 am (UTC)
Oompa Loompas
Personally, my favorite Oompa Loompas are the ones from the book. The ones from the Burton film are totally awsome, but not quite as charming I don't think. The ones from the Wilder film, er, scared me as a kid.